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Post by Fran on Feb 4, 2006 20:41:53 GMT -5
Animal you missed the point. You said
"The thread started as to why Elizabeth Berkeley is still known as "the lead in Showgirls" when she has had other roles since then"
but it's not true. I didn't say that. If the point would be that, yes you're right. She will be known as the girl from SBTB and from SHOWGIRLS, obviously. You're right. I don't think she will be rememebered as the actress from "Taxman" or "Random Encounter". Yes, that's 100% and only a very big break would change the things.
But the REAL POINT in this thread is that people still call her names when that's not necessary. As as said, a line like this:
...the director allowed for the abysmal performances of Dan Aykroyd and Elizabeth Berkley to make the final cut of Curse of the Jade Scorpion..."
it's cruel. Elizabeth did a pretty nice -aven if brief - in that movie. She was pretty sweet and natural. There was nothing wrong with her performance there (and with Aykroyd's performance neither). I'm sure the reviewer referred to her just becuase she did "that bad bad bad bad film "Showgirls". I think he didn't even remember her work on the Woody Allen movie. But hey, that' Elizabeth Berkley, she did "Showgirls" so she has no talent and everything she does is pure trash. Well that's unfair as she should be recognized for her own merits in every work she does. Fortunately a lot of people supported her and appreciate her career.
I understand what do u mean, Animal. She's not an A list actress, she has done movies not very popular. But several movies were really great, critically acclaimed even if not blockbusters (see "Roger Dodger", "moving MAlcolm" just to mention some). So in that point of view that's a success. Good reviews about your perofrmance is still a success, even if the movie flops. She's not a star, she's an actress.
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Post by The Animal on Feb 4, 2006 20:49:31 GMT -5
Yeah, that's true. By most, she's labeled a "horrible actress" with "abysmal performances" due to the fact that she did what she did in Showgirls. I never saw "Curse of the Jade Scorpion" so I can't give you an opinion on her acting skills in the movie. Maybe it was bad and the critics called it as such, or we could have a situation where the critics label anything she does as bad because of her role in the Showgirls flop. That, we may never know.
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Post by Fran on Feb 4, 2006 23:05:31 GMT -5
well believe me when i say that define "abysmal" a 10 minutes performance during which she has some few nice lines, seems natural and totally different from the girl who did "Showgirls"...that the 2nd case you mentioned: we have a situation where the critics label anything she does as bad because of her role in the Showgirls flop. Believe me: I've been following her career from SBTB, every movie, show, everyithng. There's talent there. I think everybody can judge an abysmal performance: see Jade Scorpion and you'll see there anything like that.
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Post by QueenKelly on Feb 5, 2006 10:52:52 GMT -5
Animal, Fran is so right! I have seen Jade Scorpian, Taxman, Random Encounter, Student Seduction, just to name a few and they were all great performances. I haven't had a chance to see Moving Malcolm or Rodger Dodger yet, but the REAL film critics that look at the current character she played in both and not at the actress that did Showgirls give her great reviews on those films. Plus she has been given rave reviews for her theatre work.
If you have no interest in seeing these films then don't, but what I believe Fran is trying to say is just don't brush them off because Elizabeth did 1 bad movie almost 11 years ago. She has definetly made up for that movie.
I have also been following her career since SBTB, but I think Fran has been able to get more access to her films. Fran and I are huge fans of Elizabeth's and it's not right and it doesn't have to be tolerated for her to be called hateful things because of 1 bad movie. Rather you like Elizabeth or not, it's just uncalled for.
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Post by QueenKelly on Feb 6, 2006 16:33:51 GMT -5
Animal, this post is specifically for you.I have not been contacted by Erika or the mods about this. This comes right from me. I feel that in atleast one or more of my posts to you was pretty cruel. I think I could have posted and made my points to you in a much kinder way. I've been thinking about some of my posts to you and I feel like I put you infront of a firing squad! I stand by how I feel about this discussion, I just know that I could have been kinder about my posts to you.
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Post by The Animal on Feb 6, 2006 22:17:15 GMT -5
Animal, this post is specifically for you.I have not been contacted by Erika or the mods about this. This comes right from me. I feel that in atleast one or more of my posts to you was pretty cruel. I think I could have posted and made my points to you in a much kinder way. I've been thinking about some of my posts to you and I feel like I put you infront of a firing squad! I stand by how I feel about this discussion, I just know that I could have been kinder about my posts to you. Wow, that's very nice of you. Thank you very much. I don't feel like I'm in front of a firing squad because I'm putting this discussion in a view point of a neutral third party. I'm not saying Elizabeth Berkeley is a bad actress nor am I degrading any of her performances before or since Showgirls. I am just merely presenting the idea as to why she's classified the way she is. Despite her theatre performances and minor movie roles, none of what she has done has had the popularity (good or bad) Showgirls had. The ideas I am presenting are not my own, which is not to say or imply that I think she's a horrible actress. What I am referring to is that, given her choice roles since the blockbuster bomb, I can understand why the critics label her as such. Whether she has talent or not is not the issue, however, she simply has not acheived popularity since a major bomb, and many critics may see her as trying to dig herself out of that hole. I, personally, am not degrading her skills as an actress or insulting her career by describing it as a failure, but I can certainly understand the perspective of the critics when they do. In any case, thanks for the pop. ;D |
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Post by Carrie on Feb 6, 2006 22:43:55 GMT -5
Elizabeth is a wonderful, kind person who is obviously a very talented actress. Regardless of what the critics say it`s true. We know that and I`m sure she knows that because she seems to me to be a pretty confident person.
So with that being said I am closing this thread because it has gotten just a little heated and I feel like it`s time to close it down before it starts flaming.
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Post by rainstarchild on Mar 25, 2006 11:34:36 GMT -5
HELLO, have any of you seen Showgirls, theres nothing that she keeps wo herself, as in her prancing around naked so everyone can see what she has. I totally lost respect for her after that, and if you'll notice, her career went nowhere after that.
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Post by g0screechracerg0 on Aug 5, 2006 12:58:55 GMT -5
jade scorpion wasn't very good...why woody allen is still allowed to make films is beyond me...
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Post by Fran on Aug 5, 2006 17:20:35 GMT -5
jade scorpion was average. But Melinda&Melinda and especially Match Point were EXTRAORDINARY. Woody is not dead. He's very much alive.
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