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Post by Erika on Jun 17, 2006 12:01:21 GMT -5
LOL. Ditto. Very true.
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Post by QueenKelly on Jun 17, 2006 13:56:43 GMT -5
He and Jennifer have helped people through their foundation. You have to give him that.
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Post by tiosrec on Jun 18, 2006 8:17:16 GMT -5
he can blame his dad for his credit all he wants but he's been adult long enough and it seems like he's terrible at making business decisions... You're probaly right. I have to agree with that. Something is missing from the story. |
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Post by tiosrec on Jun 18, 2006 8:35:24 GMT -5
Allow me to do the math here. Before Diamond turned 18, his parents squandered all but 25% of his $2 million assets. That left Diamond with $500,000. Whether he deserved more or not is not the issue -- this was an 18-year old kid with half a million bucks in his bank account. Add to that the income he net with College Years, New Class, movie cameos, personal appearances, merchandise revenue, and his stand-up career. He should have more than enough money to make a decent living for himself, even if it's not the high-and-mighty life he might envision as a quasi-celebrity. If he doesn't, he's a grown man and should accept responsibility for his own financial situation. Besides, the $250,000 mentioned on Defamer is just the foreclosure amount. With rising costs of real estate, you'd be lucky to find a good-sized house for that amount of money. Though the article is not clear, we're probably talking about a multi-million dollar home, rather than just an average neighborhood house in the land of suburbia. Elliot5 is correct in assuming the bank would rather have Diamond make monthly payments on the house than repossess on account of foreclosure. This situation was more than likely caused by the failure of making payments than crying and whining about how "daddy spent my money". Animal, I agree with you 100%. Think about it, the 25% went into the child actors trust fund. Which collects intrest until the child actor turns of age. So at age 18 he would have had more that half a million (once you include the interest). On top of that he had income from from age 18- 23 from SBTB: TNC. Also he would have residuals coming in from doing 11 years of the show. (Syndication is where the real money is). There is more to this story than he is admiting. |
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Post by tiosrec on Jun 18, 2006 8:50:09 GMT -5
Queenkelly, the $500,000 was probably before taxes. I think he's already spent it. He mentioned on Stern that he only gets about $1000 per comedy gig, so he's probably been spending more than he makes for years now. Maybe he's only making $25k per year - if that is the case, why is he living in an expensive house??? How can he support himself and his wife and meet his mortgage obligations on that amount of money? Also, he indicated that his parents took 75% of the money he made before he turned 18. But he never said what happened after he turned 18 when he apprently had control of his earnings. The $2 million earnings amount he gave was for all of his years on Saved By The Bell, up until he was 22 or 23 in 2000. So he probably actually had control of more than $500,000 of his earnings. He said that when he was 18 he already had a couple hundred thousand dollars in the bank. When asked what happened to that money, he changed the subject. His parents may have taken a fair amount of his money, but the fact remains that he is extremely foolish with his money. He's been blowing through money since the show ended in 2000 and had yet to acquire a full-time job, and he expects us to bail him out so he doesn't have to work like the rest of us "average people"? I don't see that happening... His booking rate is more than $1000.00 a show, I can assure you of that. His asking price tends to float between $3500-$9000. Also keep in mind that in one city he can play 2-6. That's $7000-$54000 per city. That asking price doubles at college events. As for changing the subject on where the money went. There has always been talk that that Dustin isn't as clean and sober as he claims to be. Don't get it twisted though. I do feel sorry for him. Losing your home is a pretty stressful thing to happen. |
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Post by tiosrec on Jun 18, 2006 8:59:33 GMT -5
I I remember reading somewhere that actors make more money from the first time a re-run is shown in syndication than they do each succesive time it is shown. If that is true, he may make a lot less than $5k per month from royalties. Up until the early 80's that was true For example with the exception of Robert Reed, the cast memebers of the Brady Bunch were only paid for the first 10 showings of an episode. Flash forward to today Ray Ramano makes millions off the syndication of Everybody Loves Raymond. |
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Post by elliot5 on Jun 18, 2006 14:36:04 GMT -5
His booking rate is more than $1000.00 a show, I can assure you of that. His asking price tends to float between $3500-$9000. Also keep in mind that in one city he can play 2-6. That's $7000-$54000 per city. That asking price doubles at college events. As for changing the subject on where the money went. There has always been talk that that Dustin isn't as clean and sober as he claims to be. Don't get it twisted though. I do feel sorry for him. Losing your home is a pretty stressful thing to happen. tiosrec, Dustin Diamond did mention on the Howard Stern Show that he averages about $1000 per show. Maybe he was under-estimating to make his situation seem worse. However, if what you say is true and that he can average $7000 - 54,000 per city, then I don't see why he needs help from any of us. If that's the case, he should have more than sufficient cash flow to pay off his land contract. |
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Post by tiosrec on Jun 18, 2006 17:58:02 GMT -5
His booking rate is more than $1000.00 a show, I can assure you of that. His asking price tends to float between $3500-$9000. Also keep in mind that in one city he can play 2-6. That's $7000-$54000 per city. That asking price doubles at college events. As for changing the subject on where the money went. There has always been talk that that Dustin isn't as clean and sober as he claims to be. Don't get it twisted though. I do feel sorry for him. Losing your home is a pretty stressful thing to happen. It's been said before. There is more to this story then he is letting on. tiosrec, Dustin Diamond did mention on the Howard Stern Show that he averages about $1000 per show. Maybe he was under-estimating to make his situation seem worse. However, if what you say is true and that he can average $7000 - 54,000 per city, then I don't see why he needs help from any of us. If that's the case, he should have more than sufficient cash flow to pay off his land contract. |
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Post by g0screechracerg0 on Jun 19, 2006 0:50:34 GMT -5
Well, we know that his parents squandered a massive amount of his earnings before he turned 18. For that, I do feel for him. He's 29 years old now. He still has $500,000 right? He's not REMOTELY close to being broke. Although, if he keeps going the way he's going, he may very well lose that money as well. As elliot said, the obvious decision here would be to rent, and clear your credit. I don't know how well his Comedy acts do, but I wonder if he's as good as he thinks he is.  We all know that there are people out there that believe they have a talent they don't have. American Idol auditions is the perfect example for that. So, my advice to Dustin would be, is to rent, clear your credit. As for being a Stand-up Comic, if your act includes degrading women and involving cast members from your show in your act in crude ways, perhaps you're not as good as you think you are. And for crying out loud, STAY OFF THE HOWARD STERN SHOW!  what's wrong with the stern show? |
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Post by Erika on Jun 19, 2006 2:14:44 GMT -5
Well, we know that his parents squandered a massive amount of his earnings before he turned 18. For that, I do feel for him. He's 29 years old now. He still has $500,000 right? He's not REMOTELY close to being broke. Although, if he keeps going the way he's going, he may very well lose that money as well. As elliot said, the obvious decision here would be to rent, and clear your credit. I don't know how well his Comedy acts do, but I wonder if he's as good as he thinks he is. We all know that there are people out there that believe they have a talent they don't have. American Idol auditions is the perfect example for that. So, my advice to Dustin would be, is to rent, clear your credit. As for being a Stand-up Comic, if your act includes degrading women and involving cast members from your show in your act in crude ways, perhaps you're not as good as you think you are. And for crying out loud, STAY OFF THE HOWARD STERN SHOW! what's wrong with the stern show? Let's not even go there. He's highly controversial. Yes, many LOVE him. and Yes, many disapprove of him and his show. Lets just leave it at that. |
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Post by Erika on Jun 19, 2006 13:00:07 GMT -5
You know what I just noticed? Check out the way "Screech" is spelled on the shirt....it seems either he mispelled it on purpose to avoid any copyright issues...or he just mispelled it. LOL I think it was done intentionally. What do you think?
BTW, I was asked to do an interview for a radio show today regarding all of this.(via telephone) LOL I am debating whether to do it or not! You guys know my stance on this. I don't want to offend him or anything...lol I really don't know if I will do it. It would be a cool experience, though.
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Post by Barb on Jun 19, 2006 14:43:45 GMT -5
You know what I just noticed? Check out the way "Screech" is spelled on the shirt....it seems either he mispelled it on purpose to avoid any copyright issues...or he just mispelled it. LOL I think it was done intentionally. What do you think? BTW, I was asked to do an interview for a radio show today regarding all of this.(via telephone) LOL I am debating whether to do it or not! You guys know my stance on this. I don't want to offend him or anything...lol I really don't know if I will do it. It would be a cool experience, though. Yes, he said he did that to seperate it from the character for copyright reasons. And who asked you? That is too cool! I wouldn't do it though, especially if you don't back him completely. How would that look? haha |
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Post by g0screechracerg0 on Jun 19, 2006 14:54:54 GMT -5
what's wrong with the stern show? Let's not even go there. He's highly controversial. Yes, many LOVE him. and Yes, many disapprove of him and his show. Lets just leave it at that. |
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Post by elliot5 on Jun 19, 2006 15:42:42 GMT -5
Yes, he said he did that to seperate it from the character for copyright reasons. And who asked you? That is too cool! I wouldn't do it though, especially if you don't back him completely. How would that look? haha Dustin is sorely mistaken if he thinks that adding an extra "e" to the original name/word "Screech" is going to save him from copyright infringement. Federal Copyright law (as codified in title 17 of the U.S. Code, "the Copyright Act") covers all creative and original works of authorship fixed in a tangible medium of expression. It is extremely likely that the word "Screech" certainly falls within this definition and is therefore covered under the Copyright Act. The Copyright Act provides various rights to copyright holders, one of which is the right to prevent others from either using the exact copyrighted word/expression or using a derivative of the word/expression. A derivative of a copyrighted word/expression is a word/expression based on the original copyrighted word/expression that is either modified in some way or includes additional word(s)/expression(s). The word "Screeech" with the extra "e" likely consitutes an unauthorized derivative work as defined in the Copyright Act. All Dustin has done is add an extra letter to a copyrighted name of which we are all familiar. Therefore, Dustin is likely committing copyright infringement by using the word "Screeech" in conjunction with the t-shirts he is selling. There are some expections, however, under which use of the copyright word/expression would be allowed. The most common exception is called the "Fair Use" exception. For example, if Dustin were to merely give t-shirts away or make a sign with the word "Screech," he would probably not be committing copyright infringement, as it is likely that such use would consitute a "Fair Use" of the term. However, because he is asking for money, it is highly likely that the "Fair Use" exception is not applicable here. Dustin really needs to acquire competent legal advice before he acts. It's amazing to me that he isn't more careful after being burned before by not knowing the law. In any event, NBC probably wouldn't sue him because it wouldn't be worth the hassle, but I hope he's a little more careful next time. FYI, there was a famous copyright infringement case involving an actor, Clayton Moore, who played the "Lone Ranger" on the 1950s tv show. That actor went around making public appearances in the Lone Ranger outfit in the 1970s and he got in trouble with the owner of the Lone Ranger copyright and was found to have committed copyright infringement. An injunction was issued, barring him from making appearances dressed up as the Lone Ranger. See the Copyright Act here: www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sup_01_17.htmlClayton Moore wikipedia entry: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Moore |
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Post by Erika on Jun 19, 2006 15:58:23 GMT -5
You know what I just noticed? Check out the way "Screech" is spelled on the shirt....it seems either he mispelled it on purpose to avoid any copyright issues...or he just mispelled it. LOL I think it was done intentionally. What do you think? BTW, I was asked to do an interview for a radio show today regarding all of this.(via telephone) LOL I am debating whether to do it or not! You guys know my stance on this. I don't want to offend him or anything...lol I really don't know if I will do it. It would be a cool experience, though. Yes, he said he did that to seperate it from the character for copyright reasons. And who asked you? That is too cool! I wouldn't do it though, especially if you don't back him completely. How would that look? haha Oh! LOL Must have missed that. Anyways, its some AM radio show. www.wsjs.com You're right, Barb. That's the main reason I am hesitant to do it. I really can't anyways...I have plans soon. So I won't be able to do it. |
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