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Post by browneyedgirl523 on Aug 31, 2005 22:33:05 GMT -5
Yeah, unfortunately, it's most likely not illegal. It's definitely immoral, but not illegal. For more information on TV on DVD, I'd recommed visiting the Home Theater Forum (there's a link from TVShowsonDVD.com). A lot of those people are extremely hardcore collectors, so they have a lot of knowledge about this subject, and they often discuss syndicated episodes. I think we should definitely start a petition like the MwC fans did. I'm almost positive that LG won't do anything, but at least to spread the knowledge that these DVDs are cut, and to let LG know that we are unsatisfied. Immoral?, Clearly you have really high stanards for your morals Well, I'd consider not informing consumers about what they are actually purchasing to be immoral. You may have misinterpreted what I said, I guess I wasn't too clear. If they inform consumers about releasing cut DVDs and explain why, then there's nothing that can be done, especially if the original versions are unavailable. LG likely had the resources to get the uncut versions, but was simply too lazy and cheap to have respect for the customers, and did not even mention that these were cut episodes. That is something that I WOULD consider immoral. I'm sure they could put the original versions out, if Good Times could, why can't LG? |
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Post by QueenKelly on Sept 1, 2005 12:33:45 GMT -5
It was made VERY clear to me MONTHS ago that there are no bloopers. The bloopers are GONE!  lol Okay just a little bit of seriousness here, won't make it last long, the bloopers no longer exist. As far as deleted scenes go, I think the scenes that everyone is talking about are the scenes that were taken out to ad more advertisement. Hence, syndication. These deleted scenes are not gone, they just weren't added on to the DVD's. When Image did The College Years, they didn't use the episodes from syndication. They used the originals, which means we have every scene. So there are NO bloopers anymore, and the fact of the matter is, is that the show has been released now. There are no other seasons to come out. |
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Post by tatfan on Sept 1, 2005 15:44:09 GMT -5
they could still put some things on the wedding and hawian style dvd. maybe that could make up for it in some way.
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Post by mistermadonna on Sept 2, 2005 4:59:14 GMT -5
For those of you who never saw the SBTB: The New Class Season One discs, they were very poorly done. Single menu, no options or extras, and poor video quality. One episode on disc one has atrocious video issues. It looks like it's displaying at about 20 frames per second. An episode on disc two has it's audio in MONO. I have to crank up the sound to hear it. That episode also starts abruptly a few seconds in.
I still would have bought them knowing this, but if they are going to do a cut-rate job they should sell them for a cut-rate price.
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Post by tatfan on Sept 2, 2005 17:27:12 GMT -5
its not surprising the way they are getting them out so fast, one after another.
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Post by mn on Sept 8, 2005 14:02:11 GMT -5
Right guys my post has gone off topic. Right - there are loads of missing scenes that have not being included on the DVD'S. One for example is where Belding starts singing - these boots r made for walking etc... But what Iam mad at is we are still missing a whole episode. The very first one where they start school with zack keeping the cut-out of kelly under his bed. Erika - is there anything you can do - you are the only one who gets any reply. I mean this site started a campaign about the artwork being changed. To be honest that was the least of our worrys. We want full episodes and for them to be released in good condition.  A note for SBTBTNC fans - so far each season has been complete and in good condition. |
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Post by tiosrec on Sept 18, 2005 0:53:18 GMT -5
Immoral?, Clearly you have really high stanards for your morals Well, I'd consider not informing consumers about what they are actually purchasing to be immoral. You may have misinterpreted what I said, I guess I wasn't too clear. If they inform consumers about releasing cut DVDs and explain why, then there's nothing that can be done, especially if the original versions are unavailable. LG likely had the resources to get the uncut versions, but was simply too lazy and cheap to have respect for the customers, and did not even mention that these were cut episodes. That is something that I WOULD consider immoral. I'm sure they could put the original versions out, if Good Times could, why can't LG? I am going to assume that when you say "had the resources" you mean the magical time machine that Lions Gates had and failed to use to use to tell NBC to take better care of the masters. If that is what you mean then yes you are right. It is all LG's fault |
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Post by tiosrec on Sept 18, 2005 12:02:00 GMT -5
Right guys my post has gone off topic. Right - there are loads of missing scenes that have not being included on the DVD'S. One for example is where Belding starts singing - these boots r made for walking etc... But what Iam mad at is we are still missing a whole episode. The very first one where they start school with zack keeping the cut-out of kelly under his bed. That episode is on the season 1/2 set |
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Post by mistermadonna on Sept 18, 2005 19:49:21 GMT -5
The poster coming down from the ceiling was the first day of school. The cut-out of Kelly under his bed was the Artie the lizard show. That was on the season 1-2 set as well.
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Post by browneyedgirl523 on Nov 30, 2005 17:47:20 GMT -5
Well, I'd consider not informing consumers about what they are actually purchasing to be immoral. You may have misinterpreted what I said, I guess I wasn't too clear. If they inform consumers about releasing cut DVDs and explain why, then there's nothing that can be done, especially if the original versions are unavailable. LG likely had the resources to get the uncut versions, but was simply too lazy and cheap to have respect for the customers, and did not even mention that these were cut episodes. That is something that I WOULD consider immoral. I'm sure they could put the original versions out, if Good Times could, why can't LG? I am going to assume that when you say "had the resources" you mean the magical time machine that Lions Gates had and failed to use to use to tell NBC to take better care of the masters. If that is what you mean then yes you are right. It is all LG's fault OK, wow, you obviously like to take things completely out of context. Did you not read the last part of my post, where I said that uncut versions were released by Good Times? Thus, they exist, so it has nothing to do with whether NBC took good care of the original masters, but whether or not LG wanted to take the time to release them. Try reading up on DVD and home video sales. And if you apparently have such a problem with me that you keep trying to cause a problem with me on the board, I'd suggest growing up and PMing me, instead of acting like a baby for the whole board to see. Thanks. |
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Post by Erika on Nov 30, 2005 22:17:51 GMT -5
Folks, there were several forum rules broken here. Please respect each other's opinions and respond to them in a more appropriate and mature manner. Thanks. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or catch up on reading the forum rules in the first board. Thanks.
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Post by The Animal on Nov 30, 2005 22:59:09 GMT -5
Who is to say that the original episodes exist in the first place? Someone in this thread mentioned the quality of the Friends DVDs. You know why? Because now we have the technology to convert these master reels into DVDs and since that show just ended, the stars of the show were available at that time to film the bloopers, the extras, the commentaries, and all that other extra stuff we love on our DVDs. SBTB started filming nearly 20 years ago, back when we were still on Betamax! No one ever thought that in 20 years, we would be releasing little discs that could contain every little aspect of a single episode, much less behind-the-scenes stuff. That would, first of all, explain the lack of extras. It's implausible to hunt down the stars of this show and ask them what they were thinking during the filming of an episode back in 1993... 12 years ago! So why don't some of our SBTB DVDs have these extras? It's very likely they were never filmed to begin with.
As far as the full episodes, it's been made very clear that Lions Gate produced the DVDs with the material with which they were supplied. It's natural for some of these older shows to be missing material that was filmed all those years ago in contrast to some of these newer shows being released on DVD that have every second recorded. Now, let's supposed that the original versions were kept intact, but we were given syndicated episodes on our DVDs. That is not immoral by any means. Lions Gate offered us Season 1, and what did we get? Season 1. They didn't say "Season 1: The Uncut Versions" or "Season 1: Just As They Were First Filmed". They gave us every episode that was filmed for the first season... then the second... then the third, etc. They didn't trick us, deceive us, or lie to us. They gave us Season 1.
It's very unlikely also that they will re-release the episodes on DVD later. Why? 2 reasons. The first is that they have not done it with any other show, so I very highly doubt SBTB will be the first, no matter how many hundreds of fans it has supporting it. Besides, it would cause serious confusion to call it "Season 1: Re-Released"?? That would require Lions Gate to admit that their first releases failed (which they didn't... let's face it, you bought the DVDs anyway, right?). Even worse, if another company picks up the re-releases, it would cause a bidding war between it and Lions Gate as if they were trying to show them up. Plus, Lions Gate is very unlikely to sell the licensing to another company to release the episodes a second time anyway.
The second reason why they will not likely be re-released is a money issue. Sure, fans of this board are upset that they did not receive their episodes in their full, original entirety, but is that enough to justify the cost of marketing and distributing of these same episodes with a few scenes here and there? It's OK for a movie, but again, not every movie has it's re-release with added features. Besides, MOST people who already bought the DVDs will not buy them a second time, since the issue of deleted original scenes will be irrelevant to the casual fan. In fact, I will bet most people at this forum wouldn't buy them a second time anyway. It's just not marketable or profitable for any company to mass-produce these DVDs a second time.
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Post by zach86 on Nov 30, 2005 23:56:31 GMT -5
Very well said Animal. I totally agree with you!
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Post by QueenKelly on Dec 1, 2005 14:40:47 GMT -5
Animal, I'm with Zach! You are absolutely right! It would be great to have all that stuff on the DVD's, but they are not there! I wish they still had the bloopers and that the cast members had done commentary on the DVD's, but it didn't happen. I have all 5 seasons of the show, with what I think is a great commentary on the season 5 box set.
I do have the uncut episodes on tape and I'm just going to keep them! I was never going to get rid of them anyway!
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Post by mn on Dec 2, 2005 6:54:02 GMT -5
Some episodes have been edited in a particular scene, but the scene continues. So you can't say Lions Gate didn't have the full episoide.
Take for instance the first episode, the opening scene. They cut out Zach on his answer phone .
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